tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post6299089619230454426..comments2024-03-27T02:27:29.264-07:00Comments on Drew Kaplan's Blog: Finally Responding about YCTDrew Kaplanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08969020134924433950noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-12066908322644695622007-03-22T09:01:00.000-07:002007-03-22T09:01:00.000-07:00"I can say for certain that for none of the ikkar ..."I can say for certain that for none of the ikkar part of the davening did I participate in the minyanim"<BR/><BR/>That doesn't sound very open. :(Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-58439268420886788452007-03-22T08:25:00.000-07:002007-03-22T08:25:00.000-07:00Nothing on the blog really represents "Closed Orth...Nothing on the blog really represents "Closed Orthodoxy". <BR/>I believe the blog is open to all orthodoxy.<BR/>They just hold to certain standards in order to be considered "orthodox".<BR/>It simply questions the orthodoxy of organizations like Kidma.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-40313176927488169652007-03-21T23:03:00.000-07:002007-03-21T23:03:00.000-07:00Drew, there are no semantics. As you state, the sh...Drew, there are no semantics. As you state, the shul is no longer operating. Hence, the shul is closed.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04931658583464295722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-30224800047639313282007-03-21T22:42:00.000-07:002007-03-21T22:42:00.000-07:00Mark,If you want to get into semantics, then, yes,...Mark,<BR/>If you want to get into semantics, then, yes, as a shul, it is temporarily no longer operating. However, as an organization, it still remains running [in the form of programming and classes].Drew Kaplanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08969020134924433950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-79342217861583405382007-03-21T22:37:00.000-07:002007-03-21T22:37:00.000-07:00Thank you for the clarification of the photo. A pi...Thank you for the clarification of the photo. A picture without a caption <B>may</B> be out of context.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you have an unusual definition of a <A HREF="http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synagogue" REL="nofollow">shul</A> that is different than most people, which is <B>foremost</B> "shul = prayer". Hence, maybe Kidma is an organization of some sort, but to label it a <A HREF="http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synagogue" REL="nofollow">shul</A> (especially one that claims to be Orthodox!) without <B>ANY</B> weekly or holiday Tefilah services, is rediculous and just plain insulting. <BR/><BR/>The wording of kidma's note implies more than a temporary suspension: Services are being "suspended" and Kidma is redirecting its energies elsewhere, into other forms of programming.<BR/><BR/>If R' Kleinberg wishes to resume regularly scheduled davening, well then the shul is reopened.<BR/><BR/>Maybe you can provide some examples of Orthodox shuls that provide <B>zero</B> prayer services. Or maybe this is just a new "Open Orthodox" innovation?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04931658583464295722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-11877061290861095532007-03-21T21:20:00.000-07:002007-03-21T21:20:00.000-07:00Mark,As to your first comment, I e-mailed R' Klein...Mark,<BR/>As to your first comment, I e-mailed R' Kleinberg about KiDMA and while they are, for the time being, not holding services, he will still continue to be having classes, so it may be a bit premature to say that the Open Orthodox shul in Phoenix has now closed.<BR/>As to your latter query, neither any of the four YCT guys, nor the two YU guys (to the best of my memory from over two years ago) were taking part in the Hallel service that was taking place on that Rosh Hodesh. I can say for certain that for none of the ikkar part of the davening did I participate in the minyanim (I davened beyihudus for tefillos, though I served as an audience member for the public tefillos (I do not recall what the other five Orthodox rabbinical students did)). As for the Hallel service in particular, I do not remember what it is that we were singing or if it was just a niggun to which we were dancing. Alternatively, it could very easily have been that after I davened off by myself, I joined in off to the side along with the other five Orthodox rabbinical students in singing the tehillim of Hallel and dancing broke out.Drew Kaplanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08969020134924433950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-31979498643953339282007-03-21T20:57:00.000-07:002007-03-21T20:57:00.000-07:00Hey Drew, I just saw this interesting photo of you...Hey Drew, I just saw this interesting photo of yours.<BR/><BR/>http://new.photos.yahoo.com/drewkaplanis/album/576460762320348198/photo/294928803209686176/16<BR/><BR/>Was that in El salvador or Costa Rica?<BR/><BR/>It appears to be a picture of shachris-time with some dancing (men and women in the same circle), and women in talesim, without a mechitza, with you on the right-hand side.<BR/><BR/>Would you like to supply a little context to it, in case I post at my blog?Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04931658583464295722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-86092554610285662842007-03-21T16:00:00.000-07:002007-03-21T16:00:00.000-07:00hi Drew,I must have some fans. I didn't post any o...hi Drew,<BR/><BR/>I must have some fans. I didn't post any of the anonymous comments that reference my blog!<BR/><BR/>btw, you say that I represent "Closed Orthodoxy"...<BR/><BR/>...the only Orthodoxy that is now closed in Phoenix, AZ is the local "Open Orthodox" shul run by a YCT grad. It had over a year to make it, with over 100,000 non-affiliated Jews in the Phoenix area as potential affiliants. I guess it wasn't "Open" enough.Markhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04931658583464295722noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-31561105907333939152007-03-21T13:16:00.000-07:002007-03-21T13:16:00.000-07:00Don't you worry, Anonymous, I've got the RSS feed ...Don't you worry, Anonymous, I've got the RSS feed to the ironically named Open Orthodoxy blog (ironic in that it represents Closed Orthodoxy).Drew Kaplanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08969020134924433950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-81054181390732334962007-03-21T10:09:00.000-07:002007-03-21T10:09:00.000-07:00don't forget to check out the latest post at http:...don't forget to check out the latest post at http://openorthodoxy.blogspot.com.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-57803288044243898532007-03-09T13:21:00.000-08:002007-03-09T13:21:00.000-08:00Drew - congrats on acquiring the maturity to remai...Drew - congrats on acquiring the maturity to remain silent. You have made a great deal of progress towards becoming an outstanding rabbi.Lab Rabhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16548235776787443321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-65561796205329991892007-03-07T11:19:00.000-08:002007-03-07T11:19:00.000-08:00I don't understand what you are asking SharonI don't understand what you are asking SharonAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-55687497755412942222007-03-07T04:24:00.000-08:002007-03-07T04:24:00.000-08:00anonymous number one- if you had something to say ...anonymous number one- if you had something to say why would you post anonymously?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-37659715922410203742007-03-06T10:25:00.000-08:002007-03-06T10:25:00.000-08:00http://openorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2007/03/defendin...http://openorthodoxy.blogspot.com/2007/03/defending-indefensible.html<BR/><BR/>I sure wish I knew how to make a link.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14842658.post-60031074806397539402007-03-06T09:16:00.000-08:002007-03-06T09:16:00.000-08:00"I don't really feel like bothering to respond to ..."I don't really feel like bothering to respond to the article (lest I legitimate it (hamevin yavin))."<BR/><BR/>I'm sorry Drew, but your decision not to address the controversial positions of your Yeshiva make it look like you're not sure how to defend yourself.<BR/>R' Helfgot's letter as well, doesn't deal with the issues that take YCT beyond the "pale of Orthodoxy", it just skirts around certain ridiculous points that the Yated article cited.<BR/>Hamevin yavin, from someone who has been in a similar situation, if you had something to say you would say it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com